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Foreign stations bleeding over dials

Post by Deadly906 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:44 am

Today have been getting some sort of german station maybee cutting ontop of..
Cyndicut 90.6
Tflive 94.2
FunkySx 103.7

Heard a few strong patch's
Around essex ?

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Post by teckniqs » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:49 am

Always happens every Summer, been getting a lot of it over the past couple of months. Albanian located stations so strong with RDS wiping out local stations.

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Post by s2000 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:55 pm

I am getting some Spanish station cutting into Raw atm... comes in crystal clear at times like it's a local lol

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Post by Deadly906 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:08 pm

Wonder if its doing the same thing in other countries with our dials or is this just local uk foreign stations

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Post by teckniqs » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:23 pm

All over the world.

....There's also a high chance of our UK stations including pirates being heard in a few strange countries during this time, happens every year including band one midpoints which are regularly heard by people in Europe on their TV band (Low VHF/Band 1).

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Post by Albert H » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:40 am

To be honest, I'd rather listen to most of the European stations I'm hearing at the moment instead of the execrable rubbish that passes for pirate radio in London these days. There are (perhaps) three worthwhile stations (and one of them isn't in English). The rest are a waste of radio energy. They're not doing anything new or interesting, have DJs who don't know how to talk (and most sound as if they're slack-jawed knuckle-draggers), and have abysmal technical standards.

Back in the 80s, we had stations that were as slick - or often slicker - than the legal stations. All maintained standards, all took efforts to avoid interference, all had presenters who knew what they were talking about and were able to talk. Even those stations carrying music styles I didn't like were often worth listening to simply for the quality of presentation and to pinch production ideas for my own programmes.

Back then, the legal stations were scared of us - we were taking their audiences. Nowadays, pirates are just seen as a source of interference. Some of the pirates back then would regularly make it into the RAJAR audience measurements. We used to have audiences in the hundreds of thousands or even into the low millions. These days, they're broadcasting to a few of their friends and their neighbours. In most cases the modern pirate stations are wasting their time! There's no incentive for anyone to listen to them. Even the abysmal Radio 1 is ahead of the pirates' programming!

It's time for the pirates to wake up. They need real content - playing records to your pals gets really dull very quickly. There is also no place on the band for any station that just plays one genre of music. Back when we were doing it, we had discussion programmes, music, film and TV review programmes, political comment programmes, and even a poetry programme!

Today's pirates underestimate the intelligence of their potential audience. Treat them as intelligent people, and you'll be surprised at the response. The ill-educated societal dross won't understand and will complain about it, but you'll gain more listeners than you'll lose! A radio transmitter is a powerful media tool. If used responsibly and intelligently, it can effect change. One spectacular example of that is B92 in Belgrade - read up the history, it's fascinating (they got their first couple of dozen good rigs from me and LB!).
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Post by Effemm » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:49 pm

:roll: so so true...the age of the phone/(anti)social media has played a part in all this i'm afraid...Back then it was such a buzz to get into a stations script by way of a pager,i even remember the hassle of walking around the block to find a public phone box to 'page in' only to get back n here a scrambled message that only meant something to those on planet e !! All good fun,

Music styles have not in my mind changed the last 15 years....all very samey samey...Lwr for example would have every type catered for back then,Kiss would bring the usa style over really well,each station had a varied schedule, now its just the same old noise,scared to loose those two or three regular listeners....A real dj knows about the roots,plays a varied selection,brings back the good days,listeners go away n makes sure they go back next time they're on...theres a handful out there, the majority are just a mates of a mate who has a few new tunes to share...Its a game of keeping yr listeners part of the family,to do that its got to be entertaining or the family get pissed off n don't come round...Westwood used to do the HipHop chart weekly, so simple but gave me the incentive to tune in like any chart show should...Annoyingly for myself is how the lack of 80's 90's music doesn't get played...Electro in the early 80's is rare as ,same as Acid House,just doesn't get airplay...all i here is 89/90 sets,ffs it goes back further, dig deep i say,Streetsounds albums go for crazy money on fleabay,i wonder why...rant over

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Post by famefm » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:16 pm

Housefm.net still have intresting presenters including josh Milan

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Post by thewisepranker » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:04 pm

I do agree that the output of a lot of the pirates is utter tripe, but not for quite the same reasons. Isn't the idea that the pirates play what the lazy legals don't? The legals are beyond saturated (breakdown - let's see who gets the reference) with Coldplay, Adele and, well, I don't even know because I can't stand it. The legal stations put in place to represent dance music don't, are branded with this absurd term "black music" and end up only covering a very small niche sector of dance music, some of which I have no idea as to how it fits into that category.
I generalise about dance music as it's relevant to me. Can't really comment on pop or other genres as I don't have much interest. I get wound up when DJs play remixes of or even worse, the exact song that the legals play. What's the point?

The legals also tend to play what they think they can get away with on Friday and Saturday nights, as people want to hear a bit of dance music before they go out. They don't really have much choice - they wouldn't have anybody listening if they didn't.

Regarding the hosting talents of pirate DJs, or lack of, that comes down to letting anyone with 30 different house tunes on and is a fault of the people running the station.
In terms of the format of pirate stations, I quite like it. There are already enough Howard Sterns or <insert name>s with cheesy, unnatural "radio voices", why not have a bloke who is passionate about his genre, with no commercial agenda, mix dance music together and have people get in contact to show appreciation? I don't see what else you could do with dance music, or why you would want to do anything else. I suppose you could talk over it with an RP accent for a bit of controversy. The kind of people listening to dance pirates don't care about the shipping forecast - I'm sure they'd find it incredibly funny between Forties and Humber, though.

Slickness of legal stations - there's an interesting point. I don't think the sound of the likes of Heart, Kiss or Radio 1 for example is anything to aspire to. Listening to Kiss or Capital is difficult as there's so much going on, so quickly and without warning. It's also very shouty.

There's a community station in Brighton called Reverb with programmes just like you've said and they are an absolute joke - that's in Brighton where the hippies wear a rug as a serious item of clothing and people ride around on their bikes naked in broad daylight en masse. Nobody I've spoken to has ever heard of Reverb, apart from the usual suspects/radio nerds who agree that they are a waste of between half and one MWh per year. On balance, this may be because I have no friends and never leave the Jobcentre as I'm unemployable.
Some of the Reverb DJs even went onto DigitalSpy a few years ago and openly stated that they don't get many listeners. If you want to hear political comment programmes, you listen to LBC.

On Juice (another Brighton station, but not "community") there's a film and TV weview section (funnily enough, the bloke who hosts the show also has a speaking "problem") during drivetime once a week. Who wants to listen to that whilst driving home?
I used to listen to Juice on Sundays for two particular DJs - interestingly, they are now on Reverb, as of a few weeks ago. I'm not quite sure what I make of that... Perhaps it's the start of them getting a decent listenership.

I like that ostinato broad-spectrum noise commonly referred to amongst us yoofs as dance music, so I fall into the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather category. I've played in three orchestras (at the same time!) so do have an appreciation, but it seems to me that most people listening to classical music or poetry for example do so because they think it makes them more intelligent, in a quantity vs time relationship, in the same sort of way that pouring water into a bucket increases the amount of water in the bucket.

I don't think that playing dance music and reading out texts is insulting anyone's intelligence - it's lots of Internet stations not necessarily in the UK are generally the same format and do quite well. If you could come up with something that sounds not like current pirate radio and not like current legals then great. Quite what that would sound like, I have no idea.

The question is - what do you want to hear on the radio? The answer, "not what everyone else wants to hear". Lots and lots of people are going to hate what you think is the best content currently on air in the entire UK.

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Post by 4therecord » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:44 pm

Well said that man!!! - Totally agree with thewisepranker - yes free radio probably WAS more exciting way back for both those doing it and the listeners... the simple buzz of tuning in to white noise and waiting for your chosen station to go "DONK" and appear has been mentioned on here many times.... but.... times have changed, however painful that is, there are some who just want to bang on constantly about how things used to be... as I say, granted, probably was better !!

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Post by bristolpirates » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:51 pm

The only people who have put themselves out there and got a station going since the 80s have been:

1 - Ethnic communities - Play their own music, will have talk shows / phone ins about community issues. These are really the stations that the community license was invented to replace.
2 - Ravers - Focus on a small range of dance music genres, live mixing and shout outs.

Nobody else has been interested, and even the two groups above are losing interest now. Occasionally you get a pirate that plays rock or focuses on an under played genre. It's not just the fault of the lazy legals and pirates that are on that there's a lack of decent radio, it's the fault of the people who COULD put on a decent show, but don't.

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Post by drumandbasshead010 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:51 pm

Deadly906 wrote:Wonder if its doing the same thing in other countries with our dials or is this just local uk foreign stations
In Ireland on an average day on a highpoint you can pick up one or two bbc stations (radio 3 usually being the strongest and the most likely to pick up on more than one freq.) Have a record of the following last August most of these on multiple freqs.

BBC Radios 1, 2, 3, 4, Devon, Pembs (pembrookshire)? and Devon.
Heart
Classic
No pirates though which is a shame.

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Post by fuze » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:25 am

Albert H wrote:To be honest, I'd rather listen to most of the European stations I'm hearing at the moment instead of the execrable rubbish that passes for pirate radio in London these days. There are (perhaps) three worthwhile stations (and one of them isn't in English). The rest are a waste of radio energy. They're not doing anything new or interesting, have DJs who don't know how to talk (and most sound as if they're slack-jawed knuckle-draggers), and have abysmal technical standards.

Back in the 80s, we had stations that were as slick - or often slicker - than the legal stations. All maintained standards, all took efforts to avoid interference, all had presenters who knew what they were talking about and were able to talk. Even those stations carrying music styles I didn't like were often worth listening to simply for the quality of presentation and to pinch production ideas for my own programmes.

Back then, the legal stations were scared of us - we were taking their audiences. Nowadays, pirates are just seen as a source of interference. Some of the pirates back then would regularly make it into the RAJAR audience measurements. We used to have audiences in the hundreds of thousands or even into the low millions. These days, they're broadcasting to a few of their friends and their neighbours. In most cases the modern pirate stations are wasting their time! There's no incentive for anyone to listen to them. Even the abysmal Radio 1 is ahead of the pirates' programming!

It's time for the pirates to wake up. They need real content - playing records to your pals gets really dull very quickly. There is also no place on the band for any station that just plays one genre of music. Back when we were doing it, we had discussion programmes, music, film and TV review programmes, political comment programmes, and even a poetry programme!

Today's pirates underestimate the intelligence of their potential audience. Treat them as intelligent people, and you'll be surprised at the response. The ill-educated societal dross won't understand and will complain about it, but you'll gain more listeners than you'll lose! A radio transmitter is a powerful media tool. If used responsibly and intelligently, it can effect change. One spectacular example of that is B92 in Belgrade - read up the history, it's fascinating (they got their first couple of dozen good rigs from me and LB!).

I must admit back in the day pirates had a different sound it was more underground, and the dj's were just doing their thing and not trying to talk all professional, radio sounds a lot better when peole talk with their normal voice instead of trying to put some stupid voice on, i hear a lot of that these days.

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Post by Albert H » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:29 am

Pranker - you talk a lot of sense, but are slightly missing the point. If you're going to the bother of running a 168hr/week station, that's a hell of a lot of time to fill. I just believe that it can be better filled with some effort made at smart programming.

"Slick" wasn't meant to be a pejorative - and I don't want endless clone "radio voices" - I just want to hear some effort going into actually making programmes! Instead of "slick", try "professional". There is a certain charm in listening to the inept mumblings and ramblings of the average pirate DJ, but it gets very old very quickly. It's fine to say "Hi to Cecil - see you down the pub after the show" (as I heard earlier today), but it's not fine to try to broadcast in an obviously fake pseudo-Jamaican patois that is gibberish even to Jamaicans! Again, I heard this earlier today, too. I know the silly clown involved, and know for sure that he's never been further west than Slough!

Political content shouldn't be sneered at either. The Biased Broadcasting Clowns are so far left that they're almost hard socialist, and LBC can't work out a political stance (except for that Nick Sportscar idiot in the morning who is so bad that he shouts down all his interviewees - he's just to the right of the Nazis).

I certainly don't want anyone trying to emulate Howard Stern or any other of the shouty Yanks - they're dreadful too!

All I want to hear is a bit of intelligent radio. Some of the guys running pirates are pretty smart and certainly bright enough to hold opinions of their own and be sufficiently able to express themselves. The narrow content of most of the stations is dull - most listeners will tune away within an hour because the endless head pounding of current underground music is like a migraine!
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Re: Foreign stations bleeding over dials

Post by thewisepranker » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:10 am

Discussion like this wouldn't have happened on the old RN, this is brilliant.

I don't disagree with anything you've just said. Even the bit about modern dance music - it's terrible!

I do notice that there are some terrible put on accents on various London pirates. Not sure what's going on there - just look at Dappy. He speaks like he has permanently just been to see the dentist, but somehow makes a lot of money from it.

Listening to a station tonight, the mic level was so high that the mixer could have done with a few more LEDs on the top of the VU meter. Could this not be attributed to a dumbing down of the population in general? In a society where it's acceptable (funny, even) to say "I can't do maths", and/or, "I don't understand science", is it surprising that people don't understand extremely complex technicalities like adding two signals together might result in a larger output signal?

I don't sneer at political content because it's political content - I share your views regarding the incompetent BBC and London's Big Circus, and the bunch of retarded twats that "run" this country, but I don't see how political programmes achieve anything - especially the nonsense on LBC. Nobody is listening and nobody cares, except for the few that want an excuse to moan about something. LBC is just one long, painful episode of Jeremy Kyle. If you can see the wood for the trees and don't agree with the regime, go and do something useful, don't just waffle on about it.
I think of it like this: Around 100 people listening to music that they like on pirate station n enjoy the music and go away and don't do anything about it. Perhaps they send a text to show appreciation.
Around 100 people listening to a political broadcast on pirate station n+1 agree with the subject of Theresa May being completely incapable of not contradicting herself, again, yet misunderstand that Theresa May invented the Zika virus and is as a result coming after your pension to fund helicopter lessons, get a bit wound up and don't do anything about it. All the while, the regime carries on as normal.

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Post by bristolpirates » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:19 pm

Rage in Taunton were (among other reasons) targeted for their political output.

Interference FM would also often be shut down much quicker than a pirate playing DnB all day.

The only time I've heard of anybody being arrested for listening to a pirate, it was a political pirate.

Running a pirate in itself is a political statement, so let that be the sole political involvement of the station.

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Post by Optimus Prime » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:46 pm

Excellent thread this. Probably the best one I've read on the old or new RN with some great substance-filled comment.

Have to say though, not all us dance DJ's are knuckle dragging Jafaican speaking neanderthals! (I'm 1/2 Jamaican myself & whenever I hear that I instantly wanna take a 12 gauge to the radio!) Some of us can string a sentence together & be articulate & professional when hosting, without the need for a cheesy/put on "radio voice" either! In the same way that not all 80's DJ's (or disc jockeys for you elders) aren't Smashy & Nicey, Terry Wogan or Barry G.

Personally speaking I don't listen to much pirate radio these days & haven't done for a good while now. In London (in my opinion) I'd probably say that there about 6 or 7 that are reputable/worth storing in your presets, the rest of them are just garbage/clones of eachover with shite music/presentation standards. Nobody seems to want to break the mould musically this day & age either (e.g. Dream FM in the 90's with the Happy Hardcore - definitely not a sound I was ever into but I don't recall any other station from that time doing what they did with a different genre to what everyone else was playing & gaining such notoriety for it, so respect is due. Also in the 00's when Rinse FM was a mecca/pushing boundaries for anyone who serious about Grime/Dubstep or how Itch FM (one of my all time favourite pirates) only catered for those who were serious about Hip Hop (and did it stupendously well) when nobody else did before or has done since. And to give a more recent example, that Don't Test thing that was on 98.3 a while back when they were playing all that hard arse squat party music, once again not my sort of thing & sometimes it did sound absolutely awful, but they were most definitely breaking the mould with what they were doing, so once again respect is due. In general I think things have been stale on the dial in London for years now. It's saturated as fuck (especially with the dance music pirates) & it can be very boring/uninspiring listening at times.

And Pranker, have to say Juice FM is probably one of the worst radio stations I've ever had the displeasure of listening to! Complete & utter dog!!

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Post by Albert H » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:14 pm

bristolpirates wrote:Rage in Taunton were (among other reasons) targeted for their political output.

Interference FM would also often be shut down much quicker than a pirate playing DnB all day.

The only time I've heard of anybody being arrested for listening to a pirate, it was a political pirate.

Running a pirate in itself is a political statement, so let that be the sole political involvement of the station.
Back in the mid-80s - during the miner's strike - there was Radio Arthur. I might have been slightly involved :whistle . It took out BBC "news" broadcasts - in some cases by jamming them over a wide area, and in other cases by getting into BBC links and "borrowing" the transmitters for a while.

That kind of political activism can actually make people sit up and listen, but jam Eastenders or Coronations Street and the great clueless unwashed will want your head!

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Post by famefm » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:40 pm

It has got boring latley even pointblank have gone boring now and I now only like 2 stations now and they are house fm and project

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