LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:52 pm I dont think he does have one, not sure why.
BlackJake are you getting round to adding your stream? Also i see you wrote a few times thst its 7 days (but what tines on those days, for how long?)

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:45 pm you dont need an entire vitrual server if you are simply planning on having your uplink re broadcast....
Fair points tho
MAR Have been doing it for years.

oldtech wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:49 pm

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:45 pm you dont need an entire vitrual server if you are simply planning on having your uplink re broadcast....
Fair points tho
MAR Have been doing it for years.

You are assuming there is an uplink, I will say no more

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:56 pm

oldtech wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:49 pm

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:45 pm you dont need an entire vitrual server if you are simply planning on having your uplink re broadcast....
Fair points tho
MAR Have been doing it for years.

You are assuming there is an uplink, I will say no more

Not assuming just suggesting option1 of many.
When are they on fm next?

Blackjake wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:05 pm It was good to hear Merseyland Alternative Radio back on the air last Sunday. Good signal into Crewe on 87.5 fm

oldtech wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:11 pm

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:56 pm

oldtech wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:49 pm

You are assuming there is an uplink, I will say no more

Not assuming just suggesting option1 of many.
When are they on fm next?

Fair enough, it's not unreasonable these days to assume an internet link, but they use an old skool pre-internet linking method. I am not sure when they are back I'll ask the Op. and get back to you

Leroy-BaseFM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:24 pm
This setup sounds quite different to us - We cannot be found from our Web stream... but, our TX site does rely on a stream, which can be an issue at times! - Internet drops are a thing especially with the weather we have been having.

oldtech wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:24 pm

Leroy-BaseFM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:24 pm
This setup sounds quite different to us - We cannot be found from our Web stream... but, our TX site does rely on a stream, which can be an issue at times! - Internet drops are a thing especially with the weather we have been having.

Well a number of different linking methods were used prior to the arrival of the Internet. How do you ensure that your stream cannot be found? obviously you do not make it public, but I've noticed from my Icecast2 logs that every time I put a stream up I have a least one or two "listeners" within seconds, clearly there are some automated scanners out there which look for streams and possibly monitor for indexing or PRS reasons, I have no idea, they are nearly always located in Wichita US and are using Google Cloud services and some software called Axios

jvok wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:38 pm If your hosting your own icecast instance just for linking you could limit access to only known IP addresses and block everything else

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:27 pm

oldtech wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:24 pm

Leroy-BaseFM wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:24 pm
This setup sounds quite different to us - We cannot be found from our Web stream... but, our TX site does rely on a stream, which can be an issue at times! - Internet drops are a thing especially with the weather we have been having.

Well a number of different linking methods were used prior to the arrival of the Internet. How do you ensure that your stream cannot be found? obviously you do not make it public, but I've noticed from my Icecast2 logs that every time I put a stream up I have a least one or two "listeners" within seconds, clearly there are some automated scanners out there which look for streams and possibly monitor for indexing or PRS reasons, I have no idea, they are nearly always located in Wichita US and are using Google Cloud services and some software called Axios

Don’t make public but also disable the YP directory

If you are worried about paying PRs then maybe pirate radio isn’t for you,

The stream on the internet can be found, doesn’t matter so long as you are not attracting attention to your tx site. Keep them Seperate if bothered

So one stream used to give station its feed
And another can be used to stream to Shoutcast server (that last step is optional) ultimately it’s what you are comfortable with, I’m not aware of ofcom tracing isp links from their online radio streams.

Those cling on directories can be useful but most are a pain, I’ve blocked some.

oldtech wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:31 pm Anyway I found what I was looking for "Listener Authentication" you can protect the stream using httpasswd from within Icecast
https://icecast.org/docs/icecast-trunk/auth/

LeeCavanagh wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:52 pm If you still want to be in YP then yeah you can just unselect Artist and Title in the cast client. I heard that there has been some fca scans of live audio (like Shazam) when artist and title are turned off. Personally I like it still on (as the history of tracks played on directories can help someone decide to listen)

Is there a reason users prefer icecast over Shoutcast? I’ve used both of course but curious if there is anything that users don’t like about Shoutcast?

It’s a bit harder to get SSL https working with streams, if you are hosting your own server that is, easier on Linux than windows from my experience.

Albert H wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:08 pm

oldtech wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:31 pm Anyway I found what I was looking for "Listener Authentication" you can protect the stream using httpasswd from within Icecast
https://icecast.org/docs/icecast-trunk/auth/

That's exactly the approach I've used. I've also used MAC address mapping and a few other tricks to make links inaccessible to "unauthorised" users.