RF-Head wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:00 pm NRG Sells it on ebay as KIT
Mail him for the component layout
He bought the design and Layout from me
I stopped making this design

MiXiN wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:14 pm

I thought NRG in the UK was long gone & only in New Zealand now.

radium98 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:17 am i remember saw it ,but where ,and seems to me like the broadcast warehouse 1w

yellowbeard wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:41 am Here's an old fleabay post of that board built up, it's a bigger picture for sure, but you can see a half dozen SMT components on the back, best of luck picking out what they are... You are going to have to get the hex file for the PIC too, what you really need is someone who has one that's working I reckon.
https://www.ebay.it/itm/202870569777

MiXiN wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:55 pm If I was to get a working driver that uses this specific IC, is it a simple matter of pulling the IC out of it, then putting it in this, then it'll work? Or does this PIC differ with programming on different drivers?

Albert H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:53 am

MiXiN wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:55 pm If I was to get a working driver that uses this specific IC, is it a simple matter of pulling the IC out of it, then putting it in this, then it'll work? Or does this PIC differ with programming on different drivers?

The PIC contains "firmware" - a programme that is written into it to make it do a specific function. The programme inside the PIC will vary according to the type of PLL IC it's driving - the 145170, the SAA1057, the TSA5511 (as just three examples) are all programmed in different ways, so need different programmes inside their controlling PICs.

Most people who develop PIC code (like me) are quite precious about the code they've written - after all, it's a source of income for them. Once the firmware has been written into a PIC, you can make it both permanently loaded and unreadable by blowing internal "protection" fuses inside the IC. Most people do this.

Most of my driver boards use discrete logic PLLs - more reliable, lower noise, easily reproducible, and cheaper than the PLL & PIC solution. I use a 74ACT4024 as a prescaler, then a 74HCT4040 as a pre-settable divider (using diodes to programme it), a 74HCT4060 as the reference and reference divider, and a 7046 as the phase comparator. The loop filter uses a dual op-amp (with a 30V rail derived from a voltage multiplier), and if it's built in double-sided surface-mount, it's 4.5cm X 2.5cm. We put them inside little tinplate boxes to keep the digits out of the RF, and they work every time. They cost about €4.50 each to make in quantity. Setting the required frequency is just a question of putting solder blobs in the right places on the board, to connect or omit the diodes around the 4040. The phase comparator gives a really reliable lock indication, too.

On some PLLs for very critical, low noise projects, we use a discrete logic phase comparator. It adds two ICs to the PLL system, but it's quite simply the best phase comparator I have ever seen. The design was part of the subject of my Doctoral dissertation many years ago, and National Semi still use my topology in some of their LMX-series of PLL ICs.

I'll put the circuit of the basic PLL up here if anyone wants it. You can build it out of conventional through-hole parts if you're sensible with the layout. Works every time!

RF-Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:06 pm @tec
The driverboard is not a copy of the M driverboard
M use a 50MHz osc a doubler and a few MPSH10s to get 300mW and a SAA1057 as PLL
On this board the RF stage is a copy of the BW design but use a other osc and PLL (TSA5511)
The controller is made by the someone that also made the firmware for the driverboard in the J boxes

Albert H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:53 am

MiXiN wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:55 pm If I was to get a working driver that uses this specific IC, is it a simple matter of pulling the IC out of it, then putting it in this, then it'll work? Or does this PIC differ with programming on different drivers?

The PIC contains "firmware" - a programme that is written into it to make it do a specific function. The programme inside the PIC will vary according to the type of PLL IC it's driving - the 145170, the SAA1057, the TSA5511 (as just three examples) are all programmed in different ways, so need different programmes inside their controlling PICs.

Most people who develop PIC code (like me) are quite precious about the code they've written - after all, it's a source of income for them. Once the firmware has been written into a PIC, you can make it both permanently loaded and unreadable by blowing internal "protection" fuses inside the IC. Most people do this.

Most of my driver boards use discrete logic PLLs - more reliable, lower noise, easily reproducible, and cheaper than the PLL & PIC solution. I use a 74ACT4024 as a prescaler, then a 74HCT4040 as a pre-settable divider (using diodes to programme it), a 74HCT4060 as the reference and reference divider, and a 7046 as the phase comparator. The loop filter uses a dual op-amp (with a 30V rail derived from a voltage multiplier), and if it's built in double-sided surface-mount, it's 4.5cm X 2.5cm. We put them inside little tinplate boxes to keep the digits out of the RF, and they work every time. They cost about €4.50 each to make in quantity. Setting the required frequency is just a question of putting solder blobs in the right places on the board, to connect or omit the diodes around the 4040. The phase comparator gives a really reliable lock indication, too.

On some PLLs for very critical, low noise projects, we use a discrete logic phase comparator. It adds two ICs to the PLL system, but it's quite simply the best phase comparator I have ever seen. The design was part of the subject of my Doctoral dissertation many years ago, and National Semi still use my topology in some of their LMX-series of PLL ICs.

I'll put the circuit of the basic PLL up here if anyone wants it. You can build it out of conventional through-hole parts if you're sensible with the layout. Works every time!